1 00:00:04,370 --> 00:00:02,389 hi everybody I'm Bill burns yeah nancy 2 00:00:07,550 --> 00:00:04,380 burns here I work in future theater and 3 00:00:12,410 --> 00:00:07,560 you know we like to listen to mmm radio 4 00:00:14,990 --> 00:00:12,420 on sunday nights at 9pm at 9pm whatever 5 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:15,000 oh oh the best network on the whole 6 00:00:20,179 --> 00:00:18,000 entire internet inception radio network 7 00:01:07,200 --> 00:00:20,189 you're locked into inception radio 8 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:10,410 why now get rid of pain you have your 9 00:01:23,940 --> 00:01:20,250 welcome to paying radio tonight is 10 00:01:26,310 --> 00:01:23,950 sunday december 14 2014 we got a hell of 11 00:01:28,770 --> 00:01:26,320 a good show tonight UFO researcher mark 12 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:28,780 the Antonio will be on with us I got my 13 00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:32,080 sidekick can it's almost Christmas get 14 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:35,680 your shopping done and let's go ho ho ho 15 00:01:39,750 --> 00:01:37,780 how you doing did I can hey I'm doing 16 00:01:41,820 --> 00:01:39,760 fine i just want our listeners know that 17 00:01:45,150 --> 00:01:41,830 we've got severe storms moving through 18 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:45,160 the area so any interruption or cracklin 19 00:01:49,950 --> 00:01:47,070 on my end will blame it on mother nature 20 00:01:54,150 --> 00:01:49,960 hahahaha there you go there you go got 21 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:54,160 any shoutouts can yeah I like to say 22 00:02:00,830 --> 00:01:57,990 hello to George and Patty and Doug and 23 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:00,840 Lorna once again wonder thanks for your 24 00:02:06,030 --> 00:02:03,130 suggestions and shows and stuff really 25 00:02:08,249 --> 00:02:06,040 appreciate it and to Maryland and dick 26 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:08,259 of the Oklahoma UFO paranormal I know 27 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:10,810 they're listening tonight so guys thanks 28 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:12,940 for tuning in and I'm gonna do a double 29 00:02:17,220 --> 00:02:14,950 shuttle for Lorna who helped us set up 30 00:02:19,650 --> 00:02:17,230 our guest tonight she is awesome she's 31 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:19,660 got some great connections she's a very 32 00:02:24,509 --> 00:02:22,450 very hard hard researcher in UFO field 33 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:24,519 and paranormal field to with her group 34 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:26,530 down in the cities there but Gail the 35 00:02:31,170 --> 00:02:29,200 pig LePage yep yep she rocks and she's 36 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:31,180 getting us these guests which which are 37 00:02:34,979 --> 00:02:32,680 which are awesome and I got a shout-out 38 00:02:36,539 --> 00:02:34,989 to my favorite listener debra anderson 39 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:36,549 over in duluth minnesota and that's all 40 00:02:40,259 --> 00:02:39,070 i got tonight hey and i want to in 41 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:40,269 Lauren I know you're listening I want to 42 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:43,570 say thanks for the disc on the crop 43 00:02:48,630 --> 00:02:46,209 circles I did watch it and I did learn a 44 00:02:51,210 --> 00:02:48,640 lot and I'm ready for Nancy tell but 45 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:51,220 when she comes back on for our question 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:54,310 and answer session yeah i bet i bet you 47 00:02:59,580 --> 00:02:55,690 have a whole notebook full of questions 48 00:03:01,710 --> 00:02:59,590 oh buddy i tell you what she yeah i want 49 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:01,720 to pick her brain i told her that so um 50 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:04,150 you know you betcha yeah that'll be 51 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:06,790 that'll be fun show to we're gonna work 52 00:03:13,229 --> 00:03:10,000 on getting her her it serviced he does 53 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:13,239 research with robert fan I forget his 54 00:03:16,229 --> 00:03:14,650 name but he's from Denmark and this is 55 00:03:17,789 --> 00:03:16,239 the guy that can predict what crop 56 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:17,799 circles are going to show up next so 57 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:19,510 yeah she said she's going to try to get 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:21,489 him to come on and man that would be 59 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:24,370 dynamite because I'd be really 60 00:03:28,979 --> 00:03:26,169 interested in being able to talk with 61 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:28,989 him all I know I mean ken ken is just 62 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:29,870 ripping and raring to 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:31,610 he's got tons of questions he's been 64 00:03:35,740 --> 00:03:33,890 he's moving him up for two weeks you got 65 00:03:38,649 --> 00:03:35,750 probably a whole notebook full well I do 66 00:03:42,220 --> 00:03:38,659 you know I i I'm old schools and George 67 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:42,230 knows what i mean by that I take cop 68 00:03:47,559 --> 00:03:45,290 shorthand notes in my legal tablet so I 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:47,569 fill up the margins in the main space 70 00:03:52,839 --> 00:03:49,250 and everything you know right like crazy 71 00:03:55,210 --> 00:03:52,849 and I do i've got probably two pages of 72 00:03:57,430 --> 00:03:55,220 questions so and you know we won't get 73 00:03:59,710 --> 00:03:57,440 to them all but by golly we're gonna get 74 00:04:01,270 --> 00:03:59,720 to some welcome to you there yeah we 75 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:01,280 might we might go to a part but 76 00:04:05,020 --> 00:04:02,810 definitely have a part 3 i do have to 77 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:05,030 contact nancy and maybe a part 4 we can 78 00:04:09,759 --> 00:04:07,790 make this uh make this a saga here and 79 00:04:12,789 --> 00:04:09,769 we can definitely get out you know yeah 80 00:04:15,699 --> 00:04:12,799 and you know Lorna had sent me that that 81 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:15,709 disc on crop circles and I'll tell you 82 00:04:21,069 --> 00:04:19,130 what it there's it's an interesting it's 83 00:04:22,540 --> 00:04:21,079 an interesting phenomenon see touched on 84 00:04:26,620 --> 00:04:22,550 something last and we had her on the 85 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:26,630 show mark and and that is you know hey 86 00:04:33,430 --> 00:04:29,630 this may be a very subtle way to get 87 00:04:35,409 --> 00:04:33,440 people into used to the idea that you 88 00:04:37,629 --> 00:04:35,419 know ETS here I never really thought of 89 00:04:39,430 --> 00:04:37,639 it because that was one of the questions 90 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:39,440 that I had is what why do I do the crop 91 00:04:44,770 --> 00:04:41,810 circles mm-hmm you know why not just 92 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:44,780 beam us a direct line and connect and 93 00:04:50,589 --> 00:04:47,840 but you know this maybe they know us 94 00:04:52,930 --> 00:04:50,599 better than we know us right right and 95 00:04:56,129 --> 00:04:52,940 and so what a subtle way to do what I 96 00:04:58,570 --> 00:04:56,139 call field graffiti you know definitely 97 00:05:00,339 --> 00:04:58,580 okay what I'm going to do I'm going to 98 00:05:02,050 --> 00:05:00,349 read to Mark's pile here for all you 99 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:02,060 listeners so you can get a gist for what 100 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:04,130 Mark does marcantonio is the mutual UFO 101 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:07,130 network see photo video analyst and is 102 00:05:11,950 --> 00:05:09,530 the CEO of FX models a model making 103 00:05:14,740 --> 00:05:11,960 special effects company specializing in 104 00:05:16,510 --> 00:05:14,750 digital physical models and organic 105 00:05:19,089 --> 00:05:16,520 in-camera special effects in the film 106 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:19,099 industry FX models has done work for all 107 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:21,410 kinds of organizations within and 108 00:05:25,089 --> 00:05:23,870 outside the US government the company 109 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:25,099 has done model work for the United 110 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:27,289 States Navy and the Armed Forces Joint 111 00:05:32,830 --> 00:05:28,910 Chiefs the White House and the US 112 00:05:34,689 --> 00:05:32,840 Congress mark has worked on a number of 113 00:05:36,990 --> 00:05:34,699 programs on the networks including 114 00:05:40,029 --> 00:05:37,000 discovery history national geographic 115 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:40,039 science channels performing on camera 116 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:41,930 mark in his role as a UFO investigator 117 00:05:46,209 --> 00:05:43,610 and video video 118 00:05:49,119 --> 00:05:46,219 photo analysis in addition to such roles 119 00:05:50,830 --> 00:05:49,129 he has also created special effect props 120 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:50,840 for use in productions creating 121 00:05:55,779 --> 00:05:53,210 computer-generated sequences and set up 122 00:05:59,020 --> 00:05:55,789 and executed visual effects shots so 123 00:06:00,969 --> 00:05:59,030 mark is uh he's a really involved in 124 00:06:04,059 --> 00:06:00,979 with special effects and everything else 125 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:04,069 there yeah it sounds like it I I mean 126 00:06:10,330 --> 00:06:06,050 that's something that I know very little 127 00:06:13,179 --> 00:06:10,340 about and in today's world with digital 128 00:06:15,189 --> 00:06:13,189 and and the technology behind the camera 129 00:06:17,950 --> 00:06:15,199 lens and everything else I mean wow you 130 00:06:20,559 --> 00:06:17,960 can create anything basically right 131 00:06:22,420 --> 00:06:20,569 right it's uh it's interesting stuff too 132 00:06:24,610 --> 00:06:22,430 and he does all the photo analysis from 133 00:06:26,559 --> 00:06:24,620 MUFON and I'm sure he's uh seen some 134 00:06:28,269 --> 00:06:26,569 crazy stuff and would like to welcome 135 00:06:30,909 --> 00:06:28,279 mark the Antonio to the show welcome 136 00:06:32,589 --> 00:06:30,919 mark hey thanks for having me oh that on 137 00:06:34,390 --> 00:06:32,599 mark thanks for coming of course 138 00:06:36,459 --> 00:06:34,400 forcibly sound like it was gonna be fun 139 00:06:38,589 --> 00:06:36,469 oh yeah oh yeah we're laid-back guys we 140 00:06:41,409 --> 00:06:38,599 like to have fun but also law you know 141 00:06:42,820 --> 00:06:41,419 are serious about what what you guys are 142 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:42,830 doing out there to help with the you 143 00:06:47,170 --> 00:06:45,289 know research in UFO field in its it's a 144 00:06:50,769 --> 00:06:47,180 good thing you're doing mark yeah indeed 145 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:50,779 i hope that you know hope people really 146 00:06:55,209 --> 00:06:53,210 enjoy it because there's an awful lot to 147 00:06:57,610 --> 00:06:55,219 do in an awful lot of places we're going 148 00:06:59,589 --> 00:06:57,620 to go with these systems perfect no mark 149 00:07:02,050 --> 00:06:59,599 what got your interest in the UFO field 150 00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:02,060 if you want to tell her listeners yeah 151 00:07:06,459 --> 00:07:04,550 sure you know when I was a little kid I 152 00:07:09,249 --> 00:07:06,469 when I go outside I'd look up in the sky 153 00:07:12,029 --> 00:07:09,259 and and for whatever reason I kinda 154 00:07:15,550 --> 00:07:12,039 always had this weird feeling like 155 00:07:17,860 --> 00:07:15,560 almost home sick in a way so it was sort 156 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:17,870 of a strange relationship I had with the 157 00:07:22,689 --> 00:07:19,550 universe really on and I couldn't 158 00:07:24,010 --> 00:07:22,699 explain it but I knew at age seven that 159 00:07:26,709 --> 00:07:24,020 I was gonna end up going to school 160 00:07:28,869 --> 00:07:26,719 getting a degree in astronomy and you 161 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:28,879 know working in that field and you know 162 00:07:34,540 --> 00:07:30,800 that's exactly what I did it not at age 163 00:07:36,550 --> 00:07:34,550 seven of course in later years so I 164 00:07:38,409 --> 00:07:36,560 tuned everything in my life toward 165 00:07:41,649 --> 00:07:38,419 learning about the universe so I ended 166 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:41,659 up spending oh gosh i probably spent as 167 00:07:46,450 --> 00:07:44,210 many you know years outside looking at 168 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:46,460 the sky I have inside inside of a house 169 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:49,969 you know I and I used to do that so 170 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:53,089 often that um I honestly felt weird 171 00:07:55,930 --> 00:07:54,409 being inside a house sometimes on a 172 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:55,940 clear night I couldn't stand it I had to 173 00:07:59,420 --> 00:07:56,610 be outside 174 00:08:00,459 --> 00:07:59,430 looking up and part of it was I want to 175 00:08:02,990 --> 00:08:00,469 figure out the mystery of the universe 176 00:08:04,129 --> 00:08:03,000 another part of it was I knew that we 177 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:04,139 weren't alone I've always had that 178 00:08:08,149 --> 00:08:06,180 feeling but at the time I had no science 179 00:08:11,209 --> 00:08:08,159 to back that up and neither did anyone 180 00:08:12,469 --> 00:08:11,219 we didn't have the latest you know it we 181 00:08:14,659 --> 00:08:12,479 didn't have information like we have now 182 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:14,669 with the latest exoplanet discoveries 183 00:08:19,219 --> 00:08:16,530 exoplanets are my specialty in astronomy 184 00:08:20,899 --> 00:08:19,229 so you know an exoplanet is a planet 185 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:20,909 around another star system or another 186 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:23,280 star and and there can be multiple 187 00:08:28,010 --> 00:08:26,610 planets in fact it turns out when we 188 00:08:29,420 --> 00:08:28,020 look at the universe that there's more 189 00:08:33,290 --> 00:08:29,430 planets in the universe than there are 190 00:08:35,870 --> 00:08:33,300 stars by statistical hmmm determination 191 00:08:37,370 --> 00:08:35,880 we discovered that and that the really 192 00:08:38,839 --> 00:08:37,380 interesting thing about that is I've 193 00:08:41,269 --> 00:08:38,849 always felt that was probably the case 194 00:08:42,409 --> 00:08:41,279 ever since I was like I said a little 195 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:42,419 kid I always felt there were more 196 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:44,010 planets out there and not just because 197 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:47,040 of Star Trek and Captain Kirk you know 198 00:08:52,790 --> 00:08:50,490 um although a funny story which I tell 199 00:08:56,509 --> 00:08:52,800 fairly often is when I was working for 200 00:08:59,660 --> 00:08:56,519 my my astronomy degree my thesis one of 201 00:09:01,130 --> 00:08:59,670 the things I had to do was a program in 202 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:01,140 an observatory so I was working in an 203 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:04,110 observatory working on parallaxes that 204 00:09:09,650 --> 00:09:06,959 is the the study of nearby stars and 205 00:09:11,569 --> 00:09:09,660 their distance determinations and I'm 206 00:09:12,889 --> 00:09:11,579 parallax is a simple thing when you hold 207 00:09:14,990 --> 00:09:12,899 your finger out at arm's length you 208 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:15,000 close one eye and you see your finger 209 00:09:18,530 --> 00:09:16,529 against the distant wall in your house 210 00:09:19,939 --> 00:09:18,540 and you open the other eye and you know 211 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:19,949 alternate back and forth between your 212 00:09:24,019 --> 00:09:21,810 eyes the finger looks like it's shifting 213 00:09:25,610 --> 00:09:24,029 against the background wall well if you 214 00:09:27,319 --> 00:09:25,620 imagine your finger to be a nearby star 215 00:09:30,050 --> 00:09:27,329 and the background wall to be farther 216 00:09:32,930 --> 00:09:30,060 stars and instead of distance between 217 00:09:34,130 --> 00:09:32,940 your eyes that's this that that distance 218 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:34,140 is actually the size of the Earth's 219 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:37,260 orbit from one side to the other you can 220 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:39,120 actually determine very accurately to a 221 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:41,880 certain distance out the distance to 222 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:44,370 these nearby stars and so you can 223 00:09:47,569 --> 00:09:45,720 imagine it once we figured out the 224 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:47,579 distance distance in nearby stars the 225 00:09:53,060 --> 00:09:49,500 next question was G other planets around 226 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:53,070 those stars right so um the nearest star 227 00:09:57,319 --> 00:09:55,260 to us is Alpha Centauri and Alpha 228 00:09:59,300 --> 00:09:57,329 Centauri system is actually three stars 229 00:10:01,699 --> 00:09:59,310 you know you have two main stars then a 230 00:10:03,139 --> 00:10:01,709 small one called Proxima Centauri we 231 00:10:06,170 --> 00:10:03,149 can't even see it it's a tiny little 232 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:06,180 star however uh we think there's a 233 00:10:10,070 --> 00:10:08,010 planet around that star 234 00:10:12,380 --> 00:10:10,080 and it may very well be a planet that 235 00:10:13,550 --> 00:10:12,390 could possibly support liquid water we 236 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:13,560 don't know that for sure we don't even 237 00:10:17,810 --> 00:10:15,510 know if it's a real planet yet but 238 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:17,820 anyway you can see where I'm going that 239 00:10:21,290 --> 00:10:19,470 the bottom line is there were so many 240 00:10:23,750 --> 00:10:21,300 discoveries to be made in the universe 241 00:10:25,340 --> 00:10:23,760 that that once we started getting the 242 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:25,350 tolls and once we started seeing that 243 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:27,720 the the capability to acquire data on 244 00:10:33,890 --> 00:10:30,210 these other places you know then I had 245 00:10:36,490 --> 00:10:33,900 to really start thinking about the 246 00:10:39,380 --> 00:10:36,500 concept of extraterrestrial life however 247 00:10:42,110 --> 00:10:39,390 that's just part of it I've also had 248 00:10:44,750 --> 00:10:42,120 some experiences which I could not 249 00:10:48,950 --> 00:10:44,760 explain and one such experience was what 250 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:48,960 I was a little kid probably around nine 251 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:53,310 or so maybe 10 or 11 we had a field trip 252 00:10:57,620 --> 00:10:55,530 to a local pond and we were going to go 253 00:11:00,170 --> 00:10:57,630 look at fish and frogs and things like 254 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:00,180 that I remember getting on the bus with 255 00:11:04,010 --> 00:11:02,610 my little brown lunch bag and I remember 256 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:04,020 getting off the bus with my little brown 257 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:05,730 lunch bag after the trip was over I 258 00:11:11,660 --> 00:11:08,550 remember nothing of the in-between and I 259 00:11:13,730 --> 00:11:11,670 still had my lunch it was like no time 260 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:13,740 had passed and when I came home that 261 00:11:17,870 --> 00:11:15,990 night I began having seizures and they 262 00:11:19,970 --> 00:11:17,880 had to rush me to the hospital where 263 00:11:21,950 --> 00:11:19,980 they discovered that something had 264 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:21,960 happened in my brain to trigger some 265 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:24,330 type of epileptic seizures I've never 266 00:11:30,950 --> 00:11:27,600 had epilepsy then or then or since it 267 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:30,960 was just a singular event and no one to 268 00:11:35,510 --> 00:11:32,730 this day can explain why it happened or 269 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:35,520 how it happened but I I could never 270 00:11:41,420 --> 00:11:37,770 explain why I don't remember a single 271 00:11:43,460 --> 00:11:41,430 thing about that pond trip yet everybody 272 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:43,470 in the class sure did and I member the 273 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:46,290 bus going to the pond and getting off 274 00:11:50,090 --> 00:11:48,630 the bus when we got back so I but 275 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:50,100 nothing in between it's weird you know 276 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:52,710 so that was one thing and then I've had 277 00:11:57,470 --> 00:11:55,350 other events where where I actually 278 00:11:58,970 --> 00:11:57,480 ended up waking with some sleep 279 00:12:01,280 --> 00:11:58,980 paralysis in the middle the night and 280 00:12:03,230 --> 00:12:01,290 you know I'm a fairly lucid dreamer so I 281 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:03,240 woke up and said oh wow as a sort of a 282 00:12:09,710 --> 00:12:05,850 peaceful state of lucid dreaming except 283 00:12:12,650 --> 00:12:09,720 there was one night after a sequence of 284 00:12:14,750 --> 00:12:12,660 three consecutive nights where I had 285 00:12:16,460 --> 00:12:14,760 been hearing this knocking near the roof 286 00:12:19,340 --> 00:12:16,470 of the house and I couldn't tell what it 287 00:12:20,670 --> 00:12:19,350 was and the 1st time i heard it i went 288 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:20,680 back to sleep 289 00:12:26,010 --> 00:12:24,010 second time I heard it I you know that 290 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:26,020 was the next day and the second time in 291 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:27,910 that that next day I actually got up and 292 00:12:34,769 --> 00:12:32,950 went I went to the window to look out 293 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:34,779 and I had to lean over my dogs which 294 00:12:39,570 --> 00:12:38,170 were sleeping under the window and there 295 00:12:41,579 --> 00:12:39,580 were greyhounds which I'd rescued I'm 296 00:12:43,260 --> 00:12:41,589 very happy about my little doggies at 297 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:43,270 the time were very cute animals and very 298 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:45,250 loving and so I leaned over them and I 299 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:47,050 kind of smiled at him and said it's okay 300 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:48,370 guys I'm just gonna pick out the window 301 00:12:51,449 --> 00:12:49,690 and I looked out the window and as I 302 00:12:53,370 --> 00:12:51,459 tried to push my head to the screen 303 00:12:55,410 --> 00:12:53,380 because was a nice August night I tried 304 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:55,420 to look up and as I did that I saw a 305 00:13:00,090 --> 00:12:57,490 white flash in my vision that took my 306 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:00,100 vision it was a flash blindness now you 307 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:02,890 have to understand that I don't look and 308 00:13:06,449 --> 00:13:05,050 see aliens at every corner okay I'm not 309 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:06,459 one of those types I thought I was 310 00:13:10,199 --> 00:13:08,380 having a medical event I thought oh no I 311 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:10,209 detached the retina maybe that's what 312 00:13:18,210 --> 00:13:15,730 this is happening and then I um and then 313 00:13:20,220 --> 00:13:18,220 I started to get my vision back and I 314 00:13:23,370 --> 00:13:20,230 saw you know that I could see again and 315 00:13:25,890 --> 00:13:23,380 I felt not not dizzy but I felt off 316 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:25,900 something wasn't quite right but that 317 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:28,690 said I looked down as my eyes adjusted 318 00:13:33,390 --> 00:13:30,910 and I noticed the dogs were gone and I 319 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:33,400 was like whoa well this was just a 320 00:13:39,690 --> 00:13:35,529 second ago here were the dogs and the 321 00:13:43,050 --> 00:13:39,700 mail was in the closet literally hiding 322 00:13:45,570 --> 00:13:43,060 in a pile of laundry and the female was 323 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:45,580 outside of the bedroom sitting like a 324 00:13:50,340 --> 00:13:47,410 sphinx that you like to sit that way I 325 00:13:52,380 --> 00:13:50,350 just sort of looking in you know ears 326 00:13:55,890 --> 00:13:52,390 sticking up and highly alert and I 327 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:55,900 didn't know what that was all about so I 328 00:13:59,760 --> 00:13:57,970 went back to bed and and was like 329 00:14:01,290 --> 00:13:59,770 nervous about going back to bed probably 330 00:14:02,610 --> 00:14:01,300 you know don't remember very well much 331 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:02,620 about that rest of that night I don't 332 00:14:06,810 --> 00:14:04,450 think I really slept much and then the 333 00:14:08,430 --> 00:14:06,820 next day I carried on as if it never 334 00:14:10,890 --> 00:14:08,440 happened i didn't even remember it I 335 00:14:13,740 --> 00:14:10,900 mean it was really remarkable how I 336 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:13,750 suddenly just had no memory well then 337 00:14:20,550 --> 00:14:17,350 that third night uh it happened again i 338 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:20,560 woke up at this time I couldn't move and 339 00:14:25,230 --> 00:14:23,140 I said oh I'm in like a hypnotic papac's 340 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:25,240 day I'm sort of in that net you know my 341 00:14:29,610 --> 00:14:27,370 motor neurons haven't been engaged yet 342 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:29,620 that was kind of at first I was starting 343 00:14:32,730 --> 00:14:30,970 to just sort of like enjoy it a little 344 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:32,740 bit you know because I like that state 345 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:34,120 it feels good you know that 346 00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:35,710 wake up it's very relaxing it's sort of 347 00:14:42,990 --> 00:14:40,600 like a meditative state um anyway as I 348 00:14:44,269 --> 00:14:43,000 was doing that I realized wait a minute 349 00:14:47,490 --> 00:14:44,279 this there's something not right here 350 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:47,500 because I'm i'm wide awake now in fact 351 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,050 i'm so awake I want to get up now and I 352 00:14:55,710 --> 00:14:52,720 can't move and my first thought was oh 353 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:55,720 no this was a medical problem Oh what is 354 00:14:59,070 --> 00:14:57,040 it I think maybe I should have gone to 355 00:15:01,860 --> 00:14:59,080 the hospital I was starting to panic 356 00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:01,870 because I thought oh no I must have 357 00:15:04,530 --> 00:15:03,430 somehow something happened in my head 358 00:15:06,269 --> 00:15:04,540 and I should have listened to the 359 00:15:08,820 --> 00:15:06,279 warning sign that white flash the last 360 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:08,830 night meant something well anyway that's 361 00:15:13,650 --> 00:15:11,710 when I realized my ears were shut off I 362 00:15:15,090 --> 00:15:13,660 couldn't hear anything not even the 363 00:15:16,769 --> 00:15:15,100 sound of my own breathing or my heart 364 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:16,779 beat it felt like I was in between time 365 00:15:20,850 --> 00:15:19,330 pulses almost which I don't think that's 366 00:15:23,190 --> 00:15:20,860 what it was I just think that my ears 367 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:23,200 were shut off and my eyes were also 368 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:25,810 fixed in and frozen in one position I 369 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:28,089 couldn't move my eyes that was the most 370 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:30,310 unnerving part of the whole thing and 371 00:15:35,790 --> 00:15:32,980 all i had was peripheral vision and this 372 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:35,800 was nighttime at some point during the 373 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:37,210 night i don't know when because i 374 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:40,240 couldn't look at the clock and I could 375 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:42,850 see the faint outline in peripheral 376 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:44,529 vision of the window where I had looked 377 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:45,760 out the night before and it was a 378 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:47,470 streetlight at some distance and it kind 379 00:15:51,630 --> 00:15:49,150 of outline the window and then I saw 380 00:15:55,140 --> 00:15:51,640 something pass in front of it and I 381 00:15:56,910 --> 00:15:55,150 thought okay you know I'm a scientific 382 00:15:59,280 --> 00:15:56,920 type of guy maybe this was just a 383 00:16:03,030 --> 00:15:59,290 floater in my eye or something I don't 384 00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:03,040 know all right however I began to feel 385 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:06,880 this very strange feeling like something 386 00:16:12,540 --> 00:16:10,480 was there and as I began to feel this 387 00:16:13,949 --> 00:16:12,550 way that's sort of like may lower vision 388 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:13,959 and to the right that this thing has 389 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:16,050 comes walking tour me it looked I 390 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:18,250 couldn't really see it was a dark shape 391 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:22,360 but it was you know looked like a arms 392 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:24,010 you know I couldn't see legs but I saw 393 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:26,380 like a torso and ahead and I can't 394 00:16:31,890 --> 00:16:29,410 really even tell you dimensional layout 395 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:31,900 I mean you know maybe my brain was 396 00:16:35,970 --> 00:16:34,180 replaying something of a real person 397 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:35,980 coming to me at some point and there was 398 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:37,330 some king and a glitch in my head or 399 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:40,510 whatever who knows right but as this 400 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:42,730 thing came toward me I saw the the arm 401 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:46,450 extend and the arm was very thin it 402 00:16:51,059 --> 00:16:47,769 looked weird look like us 403 00:16:54,660 --> 00:16:51,069 stick like a stick you know a stick 404 00:16:56,729 --> 00:16:54,670 insect you know and it had this exact a 405 00:16:59,100 --> 00:16:56,739 rod in its hand and the rod had a 406 00:17:01,639 --> 00:16:59,110 whitish glow it wasn't bright it was 407 00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:01,649 supportive sort of a subtle white glow 408 00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,720 and it passed in front of my face a 409 00:17:08,189 --> 00:17:06,880 couple times and bang it was morning and 410 00:17:10,049 --> 00:17:08,199 I was sleeping on my belly and I 411 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:10,059 couldn't breathe hmm mean it was just 412 00:17:15,299 --> 00:17:12,270 that quick air and I couldn't breathe 413 00:17:17,549 --> 00:17:15,309 and I pushed off the pillow and gas for 414 00:17:19,409 --> 00:17:17,559 it gasps for air and the pillow was 415 00:17:21,870 --> 00:17:19,419 totally and I apologize for this in 416 00:17:24,059 --> 00:17:21,880 advance okay but little graphic the 417 00:17:26,939 --> 00:17:24,069 pillow was saturated with blood hmm I 418 00:17:28,409 --> 00:17:26,949 mean saturated in fact I realized at 419 00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:28,419 that point I better get to the hospital 420 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:30,880 i think i must have bled a huge amount 421 00:17:37,710 --> 00:17:34,720 of mount here ah but I went and I looked 422 00:17:39,659 --> 00:17:37,720 in the mirror and I saw nothing except 423 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:39,669 except a little bit of the cake down you 424 00:17:43,169 --> 00:17:41,529 know the blood that came down out of a 425 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:43,179 nostril one of my sinus not sure the 426 00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:45,700 left one and I thought wow I must have 427 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:47,350 had a nosebleed the middle of night but 428 00:17:51,539 --> 00:17:49,450 you know I absolutely remember what 429 00:17:53,220 --> 00:17:51,549 happened and it was really scary when I 430 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:53,230 touched my face it felt like someone had 431 00:17:58,019 --> 00:17:55,720 punched me in the face as hard as they 432 00:18:00,000 --> 00:17:58,029 could and I was like oh man it's like I 433 00:18:02,010 --> 00:18:00,010 took an elevator do Taekwondo for years 434 00:18:05,279 --> 00:18:02,020 and you know I know what it felt like to 435 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:05,289 get the elbowed in the face okay and let 436 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:08,230 me tell you it felt like that was done 437 00:18:12,149 --> 00:18:09,970 three or four times in a row without me 438 00:18:14,669 --> 00:18:12,159 even being able to block it all right 439 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:14,679 and and I don't I don't like the feeling 440 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:17,289 right no one no one does you know I like 441 00:18:22,139 --> 00:18:20,020 it hit in the face but um you know so as 442 00:18:25,019 --> 00:18:22,149 I'm i'm watching in the mirror and all 443 00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:25,029 of a sudden it was weird It was as if I 444 00:18:29,789 --> 00:18:28,000 suddenly didn't even care anymore and I 445 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:29,799 just got dressed and I went off to my 446 00:18:35,129 --> 00:18:32,710 job this was before I had started my own 447 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:35,139 company here so I was working at a 448 00:18:40,590 --> 00:18:38,289 consulting company but then throughout 449 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:40,600 the next day or two I began to feel very 450 00:18:46,620 --> 00:18:43,840 agitated like you know violated actually 451 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:46,630 and so it took me a few days and I 452 00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:48,850 finally you know I'm sorry this is going 453 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:51,039 on so long I hope that no no you get the 454 00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:53,440 chats chats listening it's enough okay 455 00:18:57,690 --> 00:18:55,480 as long as it's not you know no boring 456 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:57,700 people no more common all right cuz you 457 00:19:00,210 --> 00:18:58,690 could then 458 00:19:03,780 --> 00:19:00,220 the thing that happened next which was 459 00:19:08,970 --> 00:19:03,790 really weird to me was only after only 460 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:08,980 after having um only after having been I 461 00:19:13,950 --> 00:19:12,040 guess out in the world again for a day 462 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:13,960 or two that this all started coming back 463 00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:16,330 to me but when it did it was like I 464 00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:18,160 accessed a memory spot that had been 465 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:19,630 blocked or something I don't know you 466 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:22,170 know is because you know you do tend to 467 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:24,940 block traumatic stuff that could scare 468 00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:27,040 you or whatever and I'm no different I'm 469 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:28,480 no hero i mean you know it was 470 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:29,950 terrifying you know I'm absolutely 471 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:33,490 willing to say it and um you know I 472 00:19:36,780 --> 00:19:35,050 don't want ever see it happen again in 473 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:36,790 fact I saw creature like that come tour 474 00:19:39,930 --> 00:19:38,020 me again I'd wring its neck before 475 00:19:41,790 --> 00:19:39,940 cutting words here man you know like 476 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:41,800 that like a turkey okay you're done you 477 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:43,060 know anything do you think coming near 478 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:46,480 me pal anymore do you think you've been 479 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:48,790 implanted well that's there's more of 480 00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:51,160 the story and I'll tell you it so it 481 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,980 took me two years before I actually went 482 00:19:58,740 --> 00:19:55,120 to an ear nose and throat surgeon 483 00:20:02,940 --> 00:19:58,750 because my left nostril the very moment 484 00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:02,950 that happened after that blood thing my 485 00:20:07,050 --> 00:20:05,260 left nostril was completely and sinus 486 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:07,060 was completely blocked for two full 487 00:20:11,670 --> 00:20:10,150 years and I didn't you know why I didn't 488 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:11,680 question it why didn't go or the doctor 489 00:20:16,980 --> 00:20:14,710 right away he got me but when I finally 490 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:16,990 decided to go I went to the doctors and 491 00:20:21,060 --> 00:20:19,810 he came in he looked up in the area so 492 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:21,070 his holy cow he said you've got 493 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:25,030 something up there and I went oh this 494 00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:27,130 was dr. layman at Hartford Hospital in 495 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:30,280 Hartford Connecticut and uh dr. layman 496 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:33,880 said yeah he goes we can numb it and go 497 00:20:39,210 --> 00:20:35,530 through procedure to remove it and I 498 00:20:41,130 --> 00:20:39,220 said let's do it so I ended up having 499 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:41,140 them do it right then and there and he 500 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:42,730 took this thing out it was encapsulated 501 00:20:49,230 --> 00:20:46,030 in a fleshy mass and he says this is a 502 00:20:51,630 --> 00:20:49,240 huge he says sinus polyps he says yeah 503 00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:51,640 and and I guess you know sinus polyps 504 00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,590 are not uncommon obviously there's your 505 00:20:56,250 --> 00:20:54,880 nose and throat doctors that take them 506 00:21:00,420 --> 00:20:56,260 out exclusively you know and okay so 507 00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:00,430 they're there so I said to them I go dr. 508 00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:03,040 Lehman tell me something could such a 509 00:21:12,150 --> 00:21:06,340 polyp seed itself around a foreign 510 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:12,160 object right as you can tell I had I had 511 00:21:15,630 --> 00:21:13,750 own something about implants and so 512 00:21:18,090 --> 00:21:15,640 forth so this is why this is where the 513 00:21:20,130 --> 00:21:18,100 story takes a weird turn and he said you 514 00:21:22,110 --> 00:21:20,140 mean like a metal splinter from a 515 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:22,120 machinist or something yeah something 516 00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:23,770 like that he goes yeah absolutely i 517 00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:25,180 think that could happen the body tries 518 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,790 to reject it encapsulates and you know 519 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:30,400 so forth I said well okay could you 520 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:32,290 check the inside of this one and see if 521 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:34,870 there's anything in there and he said 522 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:39,220 why and I made the mistake of telling 523 00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:42,370 him the story I just told you and he 524 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:44,830 laughed oh I don't think there's any 525 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:47,530 aliens to worry about here he goes haha 526 00:21:53,550 --> 00:21:50,770 i said yeah i know i go but but just 527 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:53,560 just you know check it out for me will 528 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:56,050 ya sure i'll make a note of it I saw him 529 00:21:59,760 --> 00:21:57,520 right down you know please you know 530 00:22:02,100 --> 00:21:59,770 check interior look for foreign object 531 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,110 and he didn't say alien ain't said 532 00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:04,000 foreign object I saw him right can this 533 00:22:07,290 --> 00:22:05,830 piece of paper and he sent it down the 534 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:07,300 pathology which is what they do in the 535 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:08,890 office said whoever you're not in every 536 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:11,320 office so he sends it down and he says 537 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:13,510 call me in a week ok so a week later I 538 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:15,670 called and let me ask you a question 539 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:19,420 okay when you yeah when you call a 540 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:21,910 doctor's office how many times is a 541 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:24,370 doctor get on the phone with you never 542 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:26,530 talk to you never you're always talking 543 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:28,690 to an assistant or whatever I called up 544 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:31,510 and I said yeah it's a mark dantonio i'm 545 00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:34,510 calling dr. layman's to to get a report 546 00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:37,240 on that thing he took out of my nose oh 547 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:41,560 yes hold on hold on and the doctor got 548 00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:44,140 right on the phone with me it is yeah hi 549 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:45,700 marcus knocked away mean he goes I just 550 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:47,590 won't let you know um you know there's 551 00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:48,910 nothing wrong with it's a benign thing 552 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:50,560 you don't have to worry but there wasn't 553 00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:51,910 something quite right in his voice I 554 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,860 said well you do have the report I'm 555 00:22:59,790 --> 00:22:55,120 just curious I'd like to get a copy of 556 00:23:02,280 --> 00:22:59,800 it if I could and he says well what 557 00:23:04,980 --> 00:23:02,290 about what hey I started the laugh 558 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:04,990 because I I didn't expect this but you 559 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:07,510 know it was just I figured off my luck 560 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:09,970 is how I was thinking and um he says 561 00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:12,430 well to be honest he goes and like I 562 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:15,460 said it's benign he goes but this has 563 00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:17,230 never happened in my office before but I 564 00:23:24,270 --> 00:23:20,860 just gotta tell you um I sent it down 565 00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,280 the pathology they received this but 566 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:26,080 apparently they've lost it 567 00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,049 of course yeah well that's that's what i 568 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:30,880 said i didn't say of course i said oh i 569 00:23:34,409 --> 00:23:32,950 said you know i almost could have 570 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:34,419 guessed something like that i mean it 571 00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,130 was a long time ago i remember exactly 572 00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:38,080 what he said but I remember expressing 573 00:23:44,610 --> 00:23:40,929 my you know you know discomfort with the 574 00:23:46,289 --> 00:23:44,620 fact that it was lost and he says but 575 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:46,299 I'm just like to know it's benign is 576 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:48,010 nothing was just a regular paula p thing 577 00:23:53,159 --> 00:23:51,010 again okay fine so I let it go okay now 578 00:23:58,340 --> 00:23:53,169 five years later I had to go back to him 579 00:24:01,950 --> 00:23:58,350 for something else and this is when uh 580 00:24:03,899 --> 00:24:01,960 the the the real my real understanding 581 00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:03,909 came came out from from what he had done 582 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:06,340 or what had happened so he comes in he 583 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,720 talks to me does this thing looks at me 584 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:10,240 I'm fine writing checks me out and then 585 00:24:14,639 --> 00:24:12,370 he goes so you still doing those though 586 00:24:16,529 --> 00:24:14,649 that that Navy work and I said oh yeah 587 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:16,539 yeah I'm still doing that I still do you 588 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:18,850 know an occasion I do that know that a 589 00:24:22,529 --> 00:24:20,529 special Navy work that you know we don't 590 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:22,539 really get to talk about yeah and he 591 00:24:28,019 --> 00:24:25,570 says interesting and he goes over and he 592 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:28,029 shuts the door exam room I'm sitting on 593 00:24:31,019 --> 00:24:29,710 the exam table because he would always 594 00:24:33,389 --> 00:24:31,029 leave it open a little bit it was sort 595 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:33,399 of like the a sort of a country doctor 596 00:24:37,259 --> 00:24:35,590 approach and ran an open office it was 597 00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:37,269 actually very comforting was a good you 598 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:39,220 know a good feel for that office you 599 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:40,750 know we didn't lock you in the room with 600 00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:43,750 door was always open and uh he came in 601 00:24:49,950 --> 00:24:47,080 and he sat down on the exam table right 602 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:49,960 next to me now first of all that was 603 00:24:54,509 --> 00:24:51,970 like okay this is like getting really 604 00:24:55,980 --> 00:24:54,519 awkward very fast what is this about he 605 00:24:58,169 --> 00:24:55,990 hopped up on the table right next to me 606 00:25:02,850 --> 00:24:58,179 and he says to me I have to tell you 607 00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:02,860 something and I go what he goes I just 608 00:25:10,110 --> 00:25:05,139 gave up my top secret clearance this 609 00:25:12,299 --> 00:25:10,120 year he laughs he laughs now I'm looking 610 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:12,309 at him gone in my head I'm smiling on 611 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:13,809 the outside in my head I'm going you got 612 00:25:18,860 --> 00:25:15,610 son of I've gotten you I can't believe 613 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:18,870 you so now I know what happened okay um 614 00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:21,130 the conditions of a clearance are that 615 00:25:24,269 --> 00:25:22,870 if anything happens that you think other 616 00:25:27,149 --> 00:25:24,279 people should know about that you need 617 00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,159 to disclose it under penalty of law um 618 00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,919 especially if it has to do with national 619 00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:32,080 national security or what-have-you so I 620 00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:36,100 guessed that he probably said that the 621 00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,470 you know I can't prove this no no one 622 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:40,000 can that the pathology group 623 00:25:44,970 --> 00:25:42,490 you know didn't get it but he sent it on 624 00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:44,980 to somebody else whether there's 625 00:25:47,970 --> 00:25:46,360 anything there or not whether there was 626 00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:47,980 anything inside of it or not I believe 627 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:49,240 he probably sent it on to someone else 628 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:51,100 because he had to under the conditions 629 00:25:59,180 --> 00:25:54,690 of his clearance okay and he told me how 630 00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,190 you know he was in charge of the only a 631 00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:02,320 naval group in the Pacific Ocean ever to 632 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:05,350 shoot a satellite out of the sky with a 633 00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:09,610 nuclear weapon whoa oh yeah and I said 634 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:12,190 that's against like every salt treaty in 635 00:26:16,290 --> 00:26:14,110 existence you can fire nuclear weapons 636 00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,300 in his space i said and he smiled and 637 00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:19,360 goes we did it he says I was right there 638 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:21,190 I was the guy in charge of a figure what 639 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:23,050 he told me like trajectory or nuclear 640 00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:24,730 something or other with I said but 641 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:25,990 you're an ear nose and throat surgeon he 642 00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:28,210 goes that was after after the Navy oh 643 00:26:35,130 --> 00:26:31,960 wow yeah so it was interesting to hear 644 00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:35,140 his whole admission and it's like I 645 00:26:39,270 --> 00:26:37,780 could tell it this guy was probably just 646 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:39,280 looking for someone to tell that story 647 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:43,270 to but he said yeah we cleared 1,300 648 00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:45,700 miles of Pacific Ocean he said in every 649 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:48,790 direction from our ship he goes and I 650 00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,730 said you fired this from a ship I said 651 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:54,400 how can you reach orbit from a ship and 652 00:27:02,130 --> 00:26:57,370 he just smiled so I part of me thinks 653 00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:02,140 that part of his story is not fabricated 654 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:04,600 but just misremembered perhaps and there 655 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:06,340 was more going on there than he 656 00:27:11,910 --> 00:27:07,810 remembers or something like that because 657 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:11,920 you know my background obviously I've 658 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:14,560 studied you know manned spaceflight in 659 00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:16,210 the conditions which it takes to achieve 660 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:18,040 orbit or to just get something up that 661 00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:22,110 high and I I don't think you can shoot a 662 00:27:29,250 --> 00:27:25,390 you know something out of the sky like 663 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:29,260 that you know from a ship okay but 664 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:32,170 that's what he claimed and I who knows 665 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:34,570 but the remark let's stop let's stop 666 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:36,910 right there and take a break and we'll 667 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:38,500 be right back to paying radio mark the 668 00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,159 hello inception radio network listeners 669 00:28:02,779 --> 00:28:00,960 this is Amanda remember you can take 670 00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:02,789 your inception radio shows on the go 671 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:04,919 just download the inception radio 672 00:28:10,339 --> 00:28:07,769 network app for your iPhone iPad or 673 00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:10,349 Android smartphones and access live 674 00:28:15,349 --> 00:28:12,869 shows past shows guest lineups and much 675 00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,359 more just visit the itunes store or the 676 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:17,039 google play market place then download 677 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:24,840 hello everyone Laurieann Fenton 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welcome back to paying radio 720 00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:07,470 tonight we have my own mark the Antonio 721 00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,680 we're talking UFOs really aliens 722 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:12,320 everything under the Sun tonight and 723 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:14,490 can't get a listener question he's going 724 00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:16,710 to ask mark here so go ahead Ken yeah 725 00:31:21,770 --> 00:31:18,840 it's bill from New York and he asked a 726 00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:21,780 really good ? he wanted to know that do 727 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:25,160 you think moons for instance like Europa 728 00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:27,930 are likely to have some type of 729 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:30,600 life-form beneath the ice sheet yeah 730 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:32,610 that's a that is a wonderful question 731 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:37,110 thanks Bill you know because in my book 732 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:38,130 will be out soon it's called the 733 00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:40,020 populated universe and in that book I 734 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:42,660 talk about Europa I talk about Saturn's 735 00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:45,810 moon Enceladus I talk about Titan and I 736 00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:48,390 talk about how we seem to be finding the 737 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:50,430 building blocks of life everywhere we 738 00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:52,410 look they're in meteorites that hit the 739 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:54,540 earth they hit the earth with comets 740 00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,970 that come into our atmosphere and strike 741 00:32:01,460 --> 00:31:58,860 the earth of which trillions have hit us 742 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:01,470 in the past we are first developing the 743 00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:04,850 Europa is an interesting moon because 744 00:32:09,530 --> 00:32:07,920 for its size we didn't really expect to 745 00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:09,540 find what we found and that is 746 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:15,150 underneath this thick mantle of ice we 747 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:19,650 found a 100 mile deep ocean now this 748 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:24,090 ocean looks like based on some of the 749 00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:26,610 the spectroscopy or the spectral 750 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:29,640 analysis of the moon looks like it might 751 00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,970 be highly oxygenated now before you leap 752 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:35,100 to the conclusion of Wow oxygen that 753 00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:37,410 means it could be fish or other life we 754 00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,240 also have to understand that a lot of 755 00:32:45,770 --> 00:32:41,580 oxygen in the water can also make water 756 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:45,780 acidic and so it might be an acid broth 757 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:48,510 under there of sorts and not like a 758 00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:49,530 sulfuric acid 759 00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,150 but it could be a little bit acidic but 760 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,340 we don't know and that's the that's 761 00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:55,440 still to be determined but yes if you 762 00:33:00,050 --> 00:32:57,420 look in the fishers of Europa the deep 763 00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:00,060 cracks and on the surface you see these 764 00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:03,990 brown spots and brown striations you 765 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:06,200 know we call those freckles okay we 766 00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:09,480 nicknamed them freckles okay is as the 767 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:11,400 explorers of Europa from a distance 768 00:33:15,980 --> 00:33:13,740 right yeah and these freckles are 769 00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,990 actually areas where hydrocarbons and 770 00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:18,480 other organic type materials are 771 00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:20,340 actually percolating through fissures in 772 00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:25,230 the ice and coming up and depositing on 773 00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:26,820 the surface of Europa now your oppa has 774 00:33:32,180 --> 00:33:30,150 no atmosphere so basically think of it 775 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:32,190 as negative pressure at the surface so 776 00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,170 basically the water that's underneath 777 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:35,760 the surface is actually being sucked up 778 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:38,610 through those fissures and bringing with 779 00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:41,250 it material okay now in part it could be 780 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:44,480 that there's pressure inside caused by 781 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:47,490 you know Jupiter's gravitational pull 782 00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,710 and the differential pull on the moon 783 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:51,360 could be heating up the interior while 784 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:53,730 we know it is heating up the interior it 785 00:33:57,770 --> 00:33:55,710 slightly deforms the moon a little bit 786 00:34:00,890 --> 00:33:57,780 and so that can cause some of the cracks 787 00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,900 and some of the activity we see but it's 788 00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:02,880 really fascinating to understand that 789 00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:05,280 we've actually found on ocean deep under 790 00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:08,550 the ice on Europa now let's not stop at 791 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:10,950 Europa let's look at Enceladus another 792 00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:13,409 moon it's only 300 plus miles across and 793 00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:16,500 sell this and at 300 plus miles across 794 00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:21,540 its South Pole shows us geysers little 795 00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:24,179 volcano and these volcanoes are of ice 796 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:27,560 water and of other hydrocarbons and 797 00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:29,490 we're seeing carbon based compounds 798 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,710 spewing all over the South Pole this 799 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:33,720 tiny little moon that has no business 800 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:35,850 with life's building blocks but there 801 00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,300 they are Titans the same way all right 802 00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,280 we see the earth as it might have been 803 00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:42,720 in a primitive state although a lot 804 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:46,200 colder you know so my the point is and 805 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:48,570 build a question is wonderful because it 806 00:34:53,899 --> 00:34:51,330 really does help to point out that these 807 00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:53,909 building blocks you know hydrocarbons 808 00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,520 amino acids okay member amino acids are 809 00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,380 the foundation of all our life right of 810 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:00,480 course and no the next thing we'd want 811 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,180 to find our proteins okay and maybe some 812 00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:05,280 tie chains and you know who knows what 813 00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:07,140 we're gonna find we get out there we 814 00:35:10,579 --> 00:35:08,550 might be able to send a probe out to 815 00:35:12,859 --> 00:35:10,589 Europa and discover that deep under the 816 00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:12,869 water well who knows we might actually 817 00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:16,470 find a species of animal of some kind 818 00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:19,800 maybe it's a microbe a microbial life 819 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:23,099 but either way there is one term we 820 00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:24,480 would have to apply to any life that 821 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:26,099 would live in such an environment and 822 00:35:31,819 --> 00:35:27,569 you know what that term is it's called 823 00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:31,829 an extreme of file life in those types 824 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:35,280 of environments has to endure hostile 825 00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:37,770 conditions that we can't imagine just 826 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:40,260 like in our deep oceans we would never 827 00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:41,849 have thought about looking at europa by 828 00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:46,200 the way okay if we didn't find life 829 00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,020 clustered around these sulfide chimneys 830 00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:50,880 deep in the ocean you know volcanic 831 00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:53,339 event events right mean that is correct 832 00:35:58,339 --> 00:35:55,470 that water's coming out at 900 degrees 833 00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:58,349 and it's laden with minerals and there's 834 00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:01,140 this beautiful hydrogen sulfide bacteria 835 00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:03,030 that just love eating this back yeah 836 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,160 they love eating this hydrogen sulfide 837 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:07,680 coming out of the vents and the bacteria 838 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:11,910 are then eaten by other filter feeders 839 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:13,890 and other creatures like those two worms 840 00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:15,540 that are down there and then the clams 841 00:36:20,299 --> 00:36:17,190 of course are down there and the crabs 842 00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,309 it creates this little oasis now as that 843 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:22,740 hot spot moves okay in other words as 844 00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:24,690 the tectonic plate is moving along the 845 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:27,900 mantle that hot spot shifts so you can 846 00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:30,210 literally see a trail of the current 847 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,190 sulfide chimney and our ocean floor 848 00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,680 followed behind by all the ones that 849 00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:36,960 were alive at one point and now long 850 00:36:42,049 --> 00:36:40,140 since dead so it's interesting to see 851 00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:42,059 that progression when we look in the 852 00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:43,440 ocean floor in the same way you look in 853 00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,750 the Yellowstone National Park basin you 854 00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:47,520 can actually track the hot spots where 855 00:36:52,099 --> 00:36:50,579 the Yellowstone lava plume is sitting 856 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:52,109 underneath our tectonic plate you can 857 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:54,180 find all the earlier hot spots were had 858 00:36:57,799 --> 00:36:56,010 poked through and and had done things 859 00:36:59,359 --> 00:36:57,809 and had even an eruption some years so 860 00:37:02,870 --> 00:36:59,369 hundreds of thousands of years ago and 861 00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:02,880 then where it is right now so you know 862 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,099 you actually contract that based on our 863 00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:07,440 tectonic plate movement now on Europa 864 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:09,960 there's no tectonic plates but we do 865 00:37:13,549 --> 00:37:12,210 have the gravity of Jupiter pulling and 866 00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:13,559 tugging on the planet that actually 867 00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:16,030 deforms it I say planet it's a moon 868 00:37:20,090 --> 00:37:18,040 okay that actually deforms the planet 869 00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,100 and makes it a little bit elongated 870 00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:22,000 depending on where it is in its orbit 871 00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:25,270 and that puts tremendous stresses and 872 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,400 pressures on to the planet both on the 873 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:29,680 exterior and the interior core and that 874 00:37:35,970 --> 00:37:32,110 heats it up that heats up the water that 875 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:35,980 causes things to happen it causes a you 876 00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:37,570 know convection perhaps where there's 877 00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:38,940 different currents that are moving so 878 00:37:46,350 --> 00:37:41,830 it's not stagnant water it's moving it's 879 00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:46,360 doing things so Europa presents an 880 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:49,420 amazing opportunity for us to go look 881 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:52,690 for of true form of extremely file life 882 00:37:59,460 --> 00:37:55,570 unlike anything we've ever seen no it's 883 00:38:02,520 --> 00:37:59,470 very very very good mark now using you 884 00:38:05,070 --> 00:38:02,530 you have heard by the way that uh we've 885 00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:05,080 also discovered that right here on our 886 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:09,100 own earth deep under our crust is a 887 00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:10,810 whole nother ocean we didn't even know 888 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:13,900 about your where that oh you know I 889 00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:17,410 wasn't oh you don't know about the the 890 00:38:23,580 --> 00:38:20,380 the the underground ocean now wow this 891 00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:23,590 was a discovery that was made oh gosh 892 00:38:32,190 --> 00:38:27,390 and try to remember the exact exact date 893 00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:32,200 of this discovery and I can tie in two 894 00:38:36,090 --> 00:38:33,580 seconds here because i think it's worth 895 00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:36,100 talking about um first of all just 896 00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:41,230 imagine that the oceans we know yeah 897 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,080 they have an ocean floor right okay now 898 00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:46,240 just imagine if you looked and 899 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:50,920 discovered that somewhere far deeper 900 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:52,930 than the bottom of the deepest ocean you 901 00:38:58,830 --> 00:38:56,770 actually have more water in fact so much 902 00:39:01,500 --> 00:38:58,840 more water that it's three times the 903 00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:01,510 size of all of our oceans combined holy 904 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:04,630 moly right and that's what we're 905 00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:06,220 actually looking at this is water that's 906 00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:08,500 sitting right around the just just above 907 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:12,240 that upper mantle area on the earth ok 908 00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:16,030 so it's around say in some places say 909 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:19,030 three miles under the ocean floor and in 910 00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:22,930 other places it's deeper okay but it's 911 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:25,150 really amazing to consider this and and 912 00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,770 and to understand that that's there now 913 00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:28,240 the water isn't just sitting there in 914 00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:29,359 the big open ocean 915 00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:32,630 it's actually trapped in a mineral down 916 00:39:38,859 --> 00:39:36,920 there but it is a collection it is not 917 00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:38,869 just you know a little water here little 918 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:41,900 water there it is a large concentration 919 00:39:48,759 --> 00:39:44,890 of water so it's really a fascinating 920 00:39:52,059 --> 00:39:48,769 discovery and the actual the actual 921 00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:52,069 discovery yeah I'm trying to look at it 922 00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:55,190 yeah it's like 600 and it was round 620 923 00:40:01,329 --> 00:39:58,960 miles down is where they found it oh wow 924 00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:01,339 okay so if you think about it that's 925 00:40:11,019 --> 00:40:05,660 that's really way down yeah yeah pretty 926 00:40:11,799 --> 00:40:11,029 warm water oh yeah so anyway as I I just 927 00:40:13,779 --> 00:40:11,809 thought that was kind of interesting 928 00:40:15,069 --> 00:40:13,789 interesting discovery because here we 929 00:40:16,509 --> 00:40:15,079 are on this very planet and we're 930 00:40:18,819 --> 00:40:16,519 reaching out all the way outside the 931 00:40:21,069 --> 00:40:18,829 solar system already with pioneer in the 932 00:40:22,809 --> 00:40:21,079 voyagers already having left the solar 933 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:22,819 system mm-hmm and we only just 934 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:24,410 discovered something new about our earth 935 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:27,410 its major in just the last year oh I 936 00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:28,970 think there's more discoveries to come 937 00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:32,900 to our you betcha you betcha yeah well 938 00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:38,150 let a mark I do you think that et has 939 00:40:42,970 --> 00:40:41,390 has been here and is coming here well 940 00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:42,980 you know that's another another good 941 00:40:47,529 --> 00:40:45,470 point that I make like what I have a 942 00:40:49,569 --> 00:40:47,539 talk I do around the country and on 943 00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:49,579 exoplanets which is my astronomical 944 00:40:58,180 --> 00:40:54,079 specialty and exoplanets offer us the 945 00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:58,190 opportunity to get a statistical guess 946 00:41:02,529 --> 00:41:00,680 in place for whether we think there's 947 00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:02,539 life elsewhere life that's intelligent 948 00:41:07,749 --> 00:41:05,420 and based on what we see we think there 949 00:41:09,489 --> 00:41:07,759 might be just in our own galaxy of 400 950 00:41:13,739 --> 00:41:09,499 plus billion stars we think we might 951 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:13,749 have say between 17 and 20 billion 952 00:41:19,779 --> 00:41:17,150 billion with a besom Bravo earth-like 953 00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,789 planets now that means planets in the 954 00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:21,200 habitable zone they're not too hot not 955 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:23,390 too cold area around their star double 956 00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:25,849 dongs that's gray exactly correct the 957 00:41:29,739 --> 00:41:28,190 Goldilocks zone where liquid water can 958 00:41:32,049 --> 00:41:29,749 be present on the surface of the planet 959 00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,059 now liquid water was a prerequisite for 960 00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:34,640 us it doesn't necessarily mean it was a 961 00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:38,180 prerequisite for other species but water 962 00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:42,319 does have a way of bringing a mixture 963 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:43,280 together in a 964 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:45,530 universe cauldron that seems to generate 965 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:48,650 life I mean we cannot deny that because 966 00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:51,530 even the miller-urey experiment and you 967 00:41:58,660 --> 00:41:56,320 know that was carried out in the 50s 968 00:42:01,120 --> 00:41:58,670 Illustrated that by the primordial 969 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:01,130 atmosphere with water and bombarded with 970 00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:03,290 lightning could create amino acids so 971 00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:07,000 clearly the primordial atmosphere and 972 00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:09,320 lightning generated the building blocks 973 00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:13,460 of life by itself so you know we have 974 00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,640 evidence that life probably exists 975 00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:19,280 elsewhere we even suspect that maybe 976 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:22,430 life intelligent life could exist and I 977 00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:24,650 do this really cool analogy where I take 978 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:26,030 a whole roll of toilet paper and I 979 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:27,770 illustrate on it the entire history of 980 00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:30,410 just the earth now the earth is just 981 00:42:37,570 --> 00:42:33,800 over a third of the universe's age okay 982 00:42:41,590 --> 00:42:37,580 and uh it didn't you know the universe 983 00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:41,600 had already existed for you know seven 984 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:44,060 or eight billion years before the earth 985 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:49,370 formed so when you look at you know when 986 00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:50,930 you look at the earth 4.6 billion years 987 00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,820 ago when you go the whole hundred and 988 00:42:57,490 --> 00:42:55,280 seventeen feet long of Earth history 989 00:43:00,850 --> 00:42:57,500 we're on the very last sheet of course 990 00:43:03,310 --> 00:43:00,860 in a line that on a scale of 117 fee is 991 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:03,320 only point 01 millimeter in thickness 992 00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:05,450 and I did mix up the unit Sonya there 993 00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:08,180 sorry but point 01 millimeter in 994 00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:11,000 thickness so really you know a hundredth 995 00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,180 of a millimeter in thickness is the 996 00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:16,640 existence of man from ancient Sumer to 997 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:18,380 the present day five or 6,000 years ago 998 00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:21,410 okay now that said what does that mean 999 00:43:25,090 --> 00:43:22,670 for extraterrestrial life and whether 1000 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:25,100 they could have been here well on that 1001 00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,330 toilet paper um history one of the 1002 00:43:33,220 --> 00:43:30,800 things you have to keep in mind is that 1003 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:33,230 we see a sliding window of planetary 1004 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:35,330 formation we see planets just forming 1005 00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,210 now we see planets fully matured in 1006 00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:40,400 their star systems and we see planets 1007 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:41,780 that have survived the death of their 1008 00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:45,530 stars in our planet hunts so this means 1009 00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:47,480 that there's planetary formation and 1010 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:49,820 planetary death going on all throughout 1011 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:51,410 the history of the universe from see 1012 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:53,450 just a couple billion years after the 1013 00:43:58,270 --> 00:43:56,450 universe started what that means 1014 00:44:00,490 --> 00:43:58,280 is incredible because that means that a 1015 00:44:04,810 --> 00:44:00,500 civilization could have been where we 1016 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:04,820 are now a billion years ago or a million 1017 00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,410 years ago in fact it's more likely that 1018 00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:07,760 it was a billion or more years ago 1019 00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:09,670 because of just the statistical 1020 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:11,990 probabilities you know it's actually 1021 00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:14,450 less likely that there's a civilization 1022 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:17,180 out there like us exactly 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